A former deputy of the Australian arm of terror cell Jemaah -Islamiah says Australia is at risk of terrorism because of ineffectual deradicalisation procedures.
Illustrating the point, Abdul Rahman Ayub offers up his -Australian nephew, Mohammed Illias Ayub, who joined Islamic State in Syria about two years ago, as an example. "Look at my nephew, he is still a radical because he hasn't been in a program. Australia is very slow (in deradicalisation)." Mr Ayub, an Islamic Indo-nesian cleric who claims to have eschewed jihad and is promoting deradicalisation, adds that Illias's mother might also be responsible for her children's radical stance. 
The family did not know if -Illias was still in Syria or if he was dead, Mr Ayub said.
Born in Darwin and schooled in Sydney, Illias Ayub, 27, is one of three offspring to Australian-born Muslim convert and jihadist Rabiah Hutchinson and Mr Ayub's twin brother, Abdul Rahim Ayub, who led JI's Australian operations, Mantiqi 4, during the 1990s. The couple broke up in 1996 and it's believed Ms Hutchinson lives in Sydney's northern beaches.
"Rabiah is still extremist. I cannot say if she encouraged him (Illias) but she is still strong (in jihadist belief)," Mr Rahman Ayub said.
Mantiqi 4 was thrust into the spotlight in 2002 when the Bali bombings killed 202, including 88 Australians.
Abdul Rahman Ayub denies having prior knowledge of the bombings, but asked if his -brother was aware replied: "Ask him, don't ask me, OK." Abdul Rahim declined to be interviewed. A counterterrorism expert and university radicalisation -researcher in Aceh, Chaidar, who has known the twins since the early 90s, says both had -advance knowledge of the bombings.
Mr Rahman Ayub said Illias told his family he was heading to Turkey to study fisheries with the aim of starting a business.
Despite the family's hardcore history, Mr Rahman Ayub says they had no idea that Illias had joined Islamic State until he -appeared on Facebook and in The Australian last year, proudly smiling amid heavy artillery and the ISIS flag.
His parents had posted comments expressing concern and pride beneath Illias's Facebook photo. The Facebook account, on which Illias has posed since   March 2013, has closed.
''We are not using Facebook or other social media any more," Mr Rahman Ayub affirms. Nor is he in touch with Illias's brother, Abdullah Mustafa Ayub, 29, who lives in Australia with his "bule" (foreign) wife.
"We don't stay in touch with the children because they don't want to use social media. I'm not a jihadist any more. I'm working with the government's BNPT (Indonesia's National Counter-terrorism Agency) program and they don't like that. Mustafa is still under his mother's control."INQUIRER P6